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I have a friend whose son is graduating from high school. He's a great kid, and he and I both love the music of Placebo. The kid is kind of a goth - real queer friendly. I am getting my friend's son a $100 iTunes card. Which teenager wouldn't love that?



However, I'd also like to give the kid a crash course in "early goth". The music of my late 1980's/early 1990's  youth. Music that he may not have been exposed to. Songs that rocked my world. Can you think of any CDs I should buy? That way the teenager could sell them back for a few bucks if he hates them. Here are some of my ideas: 

Bauhaus
Peter Murphy
Joy Division
This Mortal Coil
Cocteau Twins
Dead Can Dance
Other 4AD bands?

Thanks for any ideas you might have!

I was thinking Cramps, Black Flag, Suicidal Tendencies, Megadeath, Negativland as well... but I was afraid that was too extreme.

Cramps _Songs The Lord Taught Us_ would be not extreme at all.

Broken icon. But I'll look at dayarmy.ru when I get home from work!

Whichever Clan of Xymox album has "Agonized by Love" on it.

Oh yeah! Clan of Xymox. Good call...

"Too Dark Park" is my favorite... but I dunno. Too loud?

Edited at 2008-05-07 05:20 pm (UTC)

hmmm - i mean, i would have thought the cure's disintegration was essential - and certainly some of marc almond's stuff would be as well - it just depends on what you mean by goth because "true goths" can be really contemptuous of things and then there was that huge crossover - i mean, do ministry count?
argh - complicated!

Goths in general seem to sneer at camp, probably because if they didn't they're realize how camp they were being when they're trying to be all emo and serious and shit.

So while Marc Almond and (somebody else mentioned) The Cramps, self-involved goths would probably turn up their noses as the sheer fun involved.

Siouxsie and the Banshees _Juju_ is a must-own.

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I stole the icon, flipped it, and added red just for fun!

How about some Sisters of Mercy (Floodland)?

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Re: muzak snob nobery

I prefer TG 3rd and Final to 2nd Annual; you could also go for 20 Jazz Funk Greats.

Diamanda also can be represented by Litanies of Satan, I think.

No child's education would be complete without Pere Ubu _The Modern Dance_.

Siouxsie and the Banshees.
Sisters of Mercy.
Birthday Party


I could keep going and going. Yeah I was a goth in the late 80s

zOMG! Lush! Especially, the album, Split.

I can still remember the first time I heard the album.

I was thinking the excellent new "Brit Box", that has a bunch of shoegazer bands: Ride, Slowdive, Swervedriver, et. al. Highly recommended!

Lemme just throw out there some recommends for Catherine Wheel and Puressence (might not be on iTunes, their albums only came out in the UK I believe).

Wow... Puressence? I had to google them. You get obscurity points! And those can be traded in for valuable hipster prizes later.

You'll dance to anything [x4]

Oh, baby, look at you
Don't you look like Siouxsie Sioux
How long'd it take to get that way
What a terrible waste of energy
You wear black clothes say you're poetic
The sad truth is you're just pathetic
Get into the groove just get out of my way
I came here to drink not to get laid
So why don't you just go on home
'Cause if you want to moan you'll have to moan alone

You'll dance to anything [x2]

Don't try to tell me that you're an intellectual
Cause you're just another boring bisexual
"I met Andy Warhol at a really chic party"
Blow it out your hairdo 'cause you work at Hardees
80 pounds of make up on your art school skin
80 points of I.Q. located within

Know what you are? You're a bunch of ...
Artfags! Artfags! Artfags! Artfags!
Choke on this you dance-a-teria types!

You'll dance to anything by The Communards
You'll dance to anything by Book of Love
You'll dance to anything by The Smiths
You'll dance to anything by Depeche Commode
You'll dance to anything by Public Image Limited
You'll dance to anything by Naked Truth
You'll dance to anything by any bunch of stupid Europeans who come over here
with their big hairdos intent on taking our money instead of giving your
cash, where it belongs, to a decent American artist like myself!

You'll dance to anything

I think the kid also needs Dead Milkmen, They Might Be Giants, Uncle Bonsai, Meryn Cadell, and all the other bands that made me laugh!

Another vote for Siouxsie & the Banshees, Cure, Sisters of Mercy, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, maybe some Echo & the Bunnymen (too pop?).

Never too pop! Hell, he needs Pet Shop Boys, The Communards, Erasure, and a bunch of other bands to learn about what it was like to be young and gay in the eighties!

Expanding a bit from strictly Goth...

Christian Death "Only Theatre of Pain" and an insistance that if they buy any other Christian Death albums they will punch themselves in the face and post it on Youtube or simlar.

Psychic TV "Force thee Hand ov Chance" and/or "Dreams Less Sweet"

COIL "Scatology" and/or "Horse Rotor Vator"

Sisters of Mercy "Floodland" which will either be loved irrationally or hated passionately yet sold at some point regardless.

Skinny Puppy "Too Dark Park"

If you can track down a copy of it the old Wax Trax! comp "The Black Box" is a decent overall itnroduction to the Chicago-centered years of the Industrial scene.

Thanks! I had forgotten about "The Black Box". Somebody stole my copy (thus bringing on themselves death and misfortune).

Yeah, I didn't want to do a strictly goth retrosepctive. I'm trying to give the boy a sense that, "there have been a lot of people before you - we were all kinky and misunderstood too, and we all ended up pretty well. You will be fine."

A lot of the suggestions I would not have considered "goth". So... how about Gary Numan? Ultravox? heck, even the obscure Landscape (my name is Norman Bates, I'm just a normal guy...)

Obscure!

I didn't mean to stick to goth... it was more "sogns that touched me as a youth". I'm glad you were part of the Tubeway Army, too!